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Post by Ramon133 on Jun 20, 2009 8:14:46 GMT -5
/thread
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Post by Motherfucking Awesome!! on Jun 20, 2009 16:13:34 GMT -5
Geoff Johns > Marv Wolfman
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Post by chocky on Jun 20, 2009 17:17:00 GMT -5
What do these mean?!
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Post by houseofmystery on Jun 20, 2009 18:07:22 GMT -5
"Something" >"better than"> "Something"?
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Post by Ramon133 on Jun 20, 2009 22:14:46 GMT -5
What do these mean?! The / means end and whatever follows it is what is ended. So like, /thread is end thread. When you put things in these brackets to quote people or make shit bold you use / that. That's what I take it as.
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Post by adumb on Jun 21, 2009 14:37:07 GMT -5
Yeah I agree with all that is said above.
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Post by Motherfucking Awesome!! on Jun 21, 2009 22:01:30 GMT -5
Actually, Infinite Crisis revised trade > Infinite Crisis > Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Seriously, finally getting the art and color finished in part 7, plus the nice Batfamily vs. Deathstroke page was a nice touch, as well as letting Perez doing the OYL spread at the end.
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Post by adumb on Jun 22, 2009 1:42:28 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever enjoyed collecting comics as much as I did in 2005. Ultimates 2 was coming out, Bru's Cap had just started taking off, Bendis was on Daredevil, JMS was doing his thing on Spidey, Local by Brian Wood had just started. Then that may DC dropped the bombshell of Countdown and proceeded to launch the 4 mini-seires and their tie ins. All of which was worth it, imo. In fact, they managed to pull off the whole "lets move every book to the larger whole". I was sucked into it hook, line and sinker and dropped hundreds of my parents dollars on what DC was offering. I know I bought at least a story arc of every book set in the DCU that year. I was complelty blown away by Infinte Crisis and the entire build-up was the best build up of any event I have ever seen or read. When it was coming out, it was amazing but now it's hard as hell to try and go back to reread. It was something that you can only get out of reading monthy comics. It defintly holds a spot in my heart for being the only crossover event title that I bought every single piece of and enjoyed beginning to end.
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Post by Motherfucking Awesome!! on Jun 22, 2009 2:14:59 GMT -5
Those Countdown to Infinite Crisis miniseries were awesome. Rann/Thanagar and OMAC were the 2 I was quite invested in.
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Post by Stubacca on Jun 22, 2009 3:58:09 GMT -5
I really liked it and it is probably the only event where I collected and read every tie-in and build-up issues. They were all excellent. From the OMAC project to Villains United, to the Rann/Thanagar War to Day of Vengeance. They were all most excellent stories in their own right. And the actual crossover brought everything to a nice conclusion. On top of that the follow-up 52 was just an amazing project which is one of the best series in all of comics I have ever read. It really made me care for those b-list characters that were spotlighted and they really made Black Adam into one of the greatest villains around.
So in my oppinion it was a huge succes. Crisis on Infinite Earth did a fine job and accomplished what it set out to do. The story itself was topped by Infinite Crisis if you ask me, however.
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Post by Fanboy Menace on Jun 22, 2009 18:18:16 GMT -5
Really? Infinite Crisis?
Admittedly the lead-in was strong but does that bolster the core of the flawed event itself? Superboy punches a wall and changes reality? The villain was... Alexander Luthor sans his Irish fro? The ball being dropped so hard on the rebirth of the Multiverse? Superman of Earth-2 (the first superhero ever) was beaten to death like a bitch by whiny ass Superboy Prime, the Anakin Skywalker of the DC Universe? And the whole event suffered from the Superman Returns syndrome as it couldn't make up its mind whether it was a sequel or a tribute or a retelling. Factor in the schizoid juggling of art chores and the thing was a bit of a mess.
I'm not saying the original Crisis was the end all and be all of event storytelling, but there is a reason it is still the standard by which all others are measured.
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Post by Motherfucking Awesome!! on Jun 22, 2009 18:57:01 GMT -5
Actually the Superboy Punch thing was whipped up by Marv Wolfman in the IC Secret Files & Origins issue. If you look the whole Punch bullshit isn't in the mini and if you don't that ancillary and mostly unnecessary issue, you wouldn't even know about how ridiculous it really is.
Besides, the original Crisis came out during the 1986 era of comics. Almost everything from that time is considered "the standard" or "sacred". I could have shit on a napkin back in '86 and some fanboy would consider it the standard for how to shit on a napkin.
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Post by Ramon133 on Jun 22, 2009 19:01:38 GMT -5
prime example: Teen Titans... so fucking boring.
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Post by Fanboy Menace on Jun 22, 2009 19:30:41 GMT -5
The Superboy Punch may have landed in Wolfman's lap but something that wide ranging in effect had to be editorial. Like Didio's much publicized wanting to kill Dick Grayson and only reversing it when he realized what a shit storm it would cause and then you have that whole awkward bit where you knew that it was where Grayson's death was supposed to happen but then it was just nothing scene. The Punch however became the easy answer to everything from Jason Todd to Doom Patrol, so yeah, big bad editorial mess that was. The whole Multiverse plot point was pure sloppiness that was smoothed out a little in 52 as the writers supergroup sorted out the mess of IC's ending. I see good things before and after. But Infinite Crisis itself is being colored better than it was by impression I think by being better than the event schlock that has surrounded it and riding the coattails of THE Crisis event it was emulating. Still, it will be the 'standard' of this generation by default don't you think? Have fun shitting on that napkin though.
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Post by Ramon133 on Jun 22, 2009 20:13:31 GMT -5
Haha, I was hoping this would rile you up a bit. '
I've caught a lot of heat for agreeing with Dan Didio's decision to kill of Dick Grayson in Infinite Crisis and I think the fact that that lackluster series only got a little better than it had been for the past decade shows that from an editorial standpoint, Dick Grayson could have used a little killing off for something exciting to happen to that character. He's Batman now, so no problem there, but the status quo had been in tact for years with no real progression for Bruce, Dick, nor Tim so... yeah fuck Dick Grayson, he SHOULD have died. Jason SHOULD have been Nightwing. The fans got their way though, so whatever.
One of my big problems with these arguments is that most often Editorial takes the shit storm for bad things happening and the writers (unless they are loathed like Winnick or nuLoeb) get to take credit when good things happen. It's like how people praise god for all the pretty flowers and cute babies and blame satan for AIDS and rape and shit. You did that a little bit up there, but I'm just saying it bothers me in general when I read that shit.
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