Kris
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Post by Kris on Jun 9, 2009 1:38:52 GMT -5
Marvel and Kate Plus 8. That shit would fucking sell. MARVEL AND KATE PLUS 8 #1Written by NO ONE. IT'S REALITY, DUH! Penciled by JOE QUESADA True believers, it's here! The multi-media crossover you never thought you'd see. Kate and Joey Q go on a last minute dinner date with Barack and Michelle Obama. And in a time crunch, who else could they turn to, to watch the kids? Why none other than Doctor Octopus himself! And don't forget to tune into Marvel and Kate plus 8 on TLC next week for the shocking second part of this historic event! 20 PGS./ Rated A...$4.99
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Post by Motherfucking Awesome!! on Jun 9, 2009 2:29:30 GMT -5
LMAO!!
I heard Norman Osborn starts recruiting the kids to be part of his Dark Avengers in issue 3.
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Post by adumb on Jun 11, 2009 1:12:13 GMT -5
AMAZING! I tip my hat to your creative awesomeness, Kris.
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Post by Stubacca on Jun 19, 2009 7:55:17 GMT -5
So now it's official that Steve Rogers is going to come back. I just think two years of gone just wasn't enough to even care for it. What's going to happen to Bucky now? He didn't even have the identity for two years. I sure hope this won't be the case with Dick Grayson as Batman and his run in the cowl will last a bit longer. On the other hand DC seems to know what its doing right now as opposed to Marvel (with the exception of Thor which is awesome very time).
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Post by Motherfucking Awesome!! on Jun 19, 2009 15:28:43 GMT -5
I'm intersted in seeing how they bring Steve back to life, if he's even really dead. Hopefully this will be better than a deal with the devil like "One More Day".
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Post by Stubacca on Jun 19, 2009 15:53:10 GMT -5
Well he really should be dead. Thor summoned his ghost from the afterlife for a short time in one of the issues and talked to him. So if he's back he really has to be resurrected by supernatural means otherwise they would just be shitting on an awesome issue written by JMS and create an illogical continuity situation.
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Post by Ramon133 on Jun 19, 2009 17:00:44 GMT -5
I think the last thing they give a shit about is JMS' stories. Look at how much they respected the integrity of Grant Morrison's stories when he left for DC. The thing I wonder about is, why they didn't pick a date closer to July 4th if they were going to fuck with the shipping scheduling and crap to get this one out as it was? That's the kind of release date people would have went nuts over.
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Post by adumb on Jun 20, 2009 0:43:15 GMT -5
According to Brubaker, that was their goal because it's coming out either the first or second week of July. After reading 600, this better be amazing. Cap 600 was pretty underwhelming in general, not to mention for all the hype Marvel put behind it.
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Post by Motherfucking Awesome!! on Jun 20, 2009 7:31:42 GMT -5
Fuck Marvel and their hype. I bought into the return of the black costume for Spiderman post Civil War, and that was one of the lamest fucking events in their history. I'll give credit that JMS did a decent job, but it felt rushed to get to 'One More Day' and the art was horrible. But as a fan of the Black Spiderman costume and the original black costume saga, I felt a double let down from Back in Black and Spiderman 3.
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Post by adumb on Jun 21, 2009 2:48:43 GMT -5
Yeah, the only reason I bought Back in Black is because I was already buying JMS on Spider-Man. Marvel has this horrible habit of labeling shit. It's usually worst in the X-Men books like "Divided We Stand" or "Decimation" which they call thematic labeling but I just find it as bullshit marketing.
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Post by chocky on Jun 21, 2009 5:29:58 GMT -5
So now it's official that Steve Rogers is going to come back. I just think two years of gone just wasn't enough to even care for it. What's going to happen to Bucky now? He didn't even have the identity for two years. I sure hope this won't be the case with Dick Grayson as Batman and his run in the cowl will last a bit longer. I can't see Dick being Batman for that long. Without Didio and co turning Morrison's story into 'events' it would be even shorter but I wouldn't be surprised if after the first year of B&R Bruce returns in some form or is found, give it another 6 months to a year tops before he's back in the Cowl. Maybe I'm being too cynical but I can't see Dick as Batman for more than 2 years.
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Post by Ramon133 on Jun 21, 2009 6:07:51 GMT -5
I'm with ya, Chocky.
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Post by Kris on Jul 1, 2009 2:19:10 GMT -5
Sadly, the big two just don't have any balls when it comes to fooling around with their established characters - even when the new status quo is a success. Instead of playing things by ear and running with the good thing they've got going, it seems as though the typical reaction, be it from editorial or the writers themselves, will be to run to the safety of the established status quo as soon as possible, and I think that's a real shame. I'm sad to see Bucky's tenure ending so quickly when I never wanted to see him brought back to life a few years ago and I'm also equally sad that it's all but confirmed already that Dick Grayson's time as Batman was numbered at 12 as soon as it began.
It's actually a little weird thinking about this, because I've been converting a bunch of recordings I either made or were made of me from my high school years to my computer and they consist almost completely of me either playing music with my band or my high school wrestling matches. That's because that's exactly what my life revolved around for those four years, but unfortunately, they're two things I don't do at all anymore. I still play music, but I work solo now and that's a huge difference from the atmosphere of working with a band. On the wrestling end, well as much as I think I'd be far more confident and superior on a technical level, I'd be lucky if I could last a quarter of a period. Forget three full periods.
My point in all this is that if you knew me in high school, those two things were my defining characteristics, and now they're not even in my life, but my life is no less interesting. While I miss aspects of those days, I certainly wouldn't want to lose everything I have now to go back to being a guy whose world revolved around wrestling and his band. Life changes and takes people into places they never would have expected, and very rarely, if ever, does it take them back to the exact same spot. Times like these, with Bucky as Cap and Dick as Batman, it almost feels real again, like these characters are actually alive instead of static figures on loop in a medium based on serialization, but so horribly afraid of what happens next.
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Post by Ramon133 on Jul 1, 2009 7:56:17 GMT -5
Hope nobody cares that I changed the title of this thread because its really progressed beyond being about a possible spoiler to something that did not at all pan out the way the title of the thread suggests. Or whatever.
But more to the point, I think the problem with both companies is not that they are afraid of change so much as comic fans consistently respond to reverting to the status quo. I'll give you one example because it's the easiest for me to give and then of course you can give me examples that I am leaving out because it does not prove my point so there is no reason for me to use them right now, Green Lantern. This is a comic that switched off the lead character of the book decades in lue of a completely new guy who ran with that title for something like seven or eight years. That's an almost unprecedented length of time for a top tier comic book character replacement to helm a title. And look how that ended? They brought back Hal Jordan.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a big hater of Hal Jordan and unquestionably my favorite comic book character is Kyle Rayner and DC has done right by me in handling both of them since Hal's returned with weak miniseries to ween Kyle Rayner fans away from being used to their preferred lantern in the limelight. But, it was very fucking popular when they did it. I don't know the sales charts from that far back, but I'm sure it did well. And for Marvel, they did well when they brought back Thor (Thor came back right?). It's just a business practice by this point. Another cheap gimmick, and I don't think anyone is going to say otherwise but it continues to work for people so why not?
Does anyone know how long Brubaker plans on being on Captain America? Feels like a trend with Marvel has that creators should (or should be expected) to leave clean slates for the next person who comes on board. I have thought about catching up with Cap because I hear nothing but good things, this shouldn't change that should it?
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Post by Kris on Jul 1, 2009 9:46:13 GMT -5
It shouldn't change anything. Cap has been a great read, though I must say the last three issues have all been filler issues to me.
I don't think the Green Lantern example works for what I'm thinking though. Not only did Kyle have a much longer run than Bucky or Dick can expect, bringing back Hal revitalized the Green Lantern franchise. No offense to Kyle, but his story wasn't red hot like Bucky's has been and, if June was any indication, like Dick's will be when he gets kicked to the curb for Bruce again.
And it isn't like I never wanted to see Steve Rogers or Bruce return, especially Bruce since his return is written into the story. But with the way these stories are being done, it's like the Big Two went into these stories dead set on only flirting with the ideas, and with no intention of getting more serious even if the fans were enjoying them, and while I don't think what the fans are enjoying should be the standard for how stories are written, it should at least be taken into consideration.
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